| SuchFriendsAreDangerous |
12.23.2009 10:47 PM |
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Originally Posted by Pookie
All the "evidence" suggests quite the opposite (read the bible).
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eh, I read three times cover to cover and read it all day.. but God is not limited to the Bible.
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Originally Posted by Pookie
And less of the SuchFriends hating people. He's one of the good guys.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Pookie again.
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Originally Posted by Pookie
How does a lack of belief in something (atheism) require faith?
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Originally Posted by Pookie
That's what it IS. Look in a dictionary and it will say Atheism: a lack of belief.
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The lack of belief implies both impicitly and directly a belief which you don't have. You believe in not believe, because what you literaly believe when you say "I have no belief (in God)" is "I believe that there is no God." It does not necessarily imply a vindictive motive or a antagonistic perspective, just a belief that the belief of othes is wrong. Somebody might believe in going to war in Iraq, because they believe it my opposition to war in general also becomes a specific believe against the belief in the war. But pdbradley already covered this very eloquently already
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Originally Posted by pbradley
In responding to this, I would like to refer back to my example of the chair in the closed room. An atheism of this definition assumes both hard atheism and agnosticism. By atheism, let's say it is achairism. There is an assertion of the lack of a chair and a suspension of a lack of a chair. To further answer this question, we must contrast belief from knowledge. What would we call knowledge that there is no chair? Achairism? No, that can't be. To be charitable, we must consider not an assertion of a lack of a chair but the opposition to the belief in an chair. So, considering the etymology, we get an a-chairism and an a-chair-ism. That is, 'not a belief in chair' or 'a belief that chair is not.' This distinction is schismatic and we return to the question: what would we call the knowledge that there is no chair? What is atheism as both opposition and denial? I mean denial here in the sense of making a conclusive metaphysical statement (or, rather, a denial of metaphysics). As we should see, agnosticism makes a perfect statement of the suspension of a lack of god/chair. Thus, this leaves atheism as an affirmative statement against the existence of God and not the belief in the existence of God.
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Originally Posted by wellcharge
if you ever try crappy ukrainian beers you will no longer believe this
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no my friend, I would take a slavutichk  over a Coors or even worse a Schlitz any day of the week.. tap the Carpathians my friend ;)  |
