Now your on track.

oh yeah, shit, i'm just a lost soul thinking he's alive. damn.

Suppose you can see feeling and perspective as illusion, or see all emotion and behavior based entirely on chemical-electrical reactions, cant you still exist and host these things? Being a puppet is still being.

Nothing can truly be known to exist.


Müeller-Lyer illusion


Ponzo illusion

Both sets of lines in the pictures above are the same length, though they do not appear to be. It certainly calls into question the reliability of the senses with which we perceive and judge the world. So on what basis can we give our senses any credibility or authority?

A ruler can show that the lines are the same length. Comparative analysis seems to be a good way to corroborate similarity and congruence but does it prove existence? Not necessarily. Is there an equivalent ruler with which I can measure myself in order to discern that I am indeed a human being like all other human beings? The consistency of our senses, the fact that the 'true word' exists (whereas dreams and hallucinations pass and make evident their falsehood) in one continuous and unbroken thread of time makes room for the leap of faith that we take when we say that we exist.

Until my existence drifts away like a dream or fades like a hallucinogenic trip and I am thrust into a new reality, I must say that I and the things around me exist. Of course it remains a leap of faith, but without proof that anything exists or that, more importantly, nothing exists, a certain acceptance is required to live on through the world, for if nothing exists, how do you explain the world around us?

what happens if the illusion is actually alive?

Alex's Trip, the illusions aren't showing.

Wait, are you creating the illusion that there should be images there?

I don't think much so therefore I may not be.

I guess it is easier to suggest that I exist than to venture into whether the things around me exist. But even if senses are unreliable, even if you can hallucinate , or not, and everyone can have drastically different perceptions and mental lives, we are still using the senses in the first place.

Edit : ^^I don't think much so therefore I may not be.
HA!! Gold.

i don't need to-- since you have not proven your own existence in the first place, i must take that you don't exist, and why should i attempt to prove anything to non-entities? a waste of time!

Aha!

I wish I had said that to a customer at work yesterday, he said that he was perfect and asked if I was, I passively said "Sure" and he demanded that I go to a court and bring me back the proof.

This is my kinda thread

im real. i have three daughters. and you know that.

In any situation, theres a way I can easily act, a way I am compelled to act, and then I can consider a multitude of ways I could act.
Meh..maybe all those functions are still part of the illusion. But I still partake.

occasionally.

^
He exists. I don't.

What does he exist for?

Really? What are their names?

Have you heard Meatloaf's 'Bat Out of Hell'? I think it's impossible to bask in its RIGHTEOUSNESS and then say that this, you know, what we've got goin' on in here [taps chest] ... that that ain't real, man. Nah, you are not going to tell me that. NO YOU ARE NOT. It's the only thing in this whole world that's pure and good and riiiiiiiiiiiiight. And wherever you are and wherever you go, there's always gonna be some liiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then I'm down in the bottom of a pit in the blazing sun,
Torn and twisted at the foot of a burning bike,
And I think somebody somewhere must be tolling a bell.
And the last thing I see is my heart,
Still beating... still beating...
Breaking out of my body, and flying away
Like a bat out of hell

well sometimes you do.

maybe i only exist in this forum.