prosecutors drop cases for a million reasons that have nothing to do with whether the person accused is guilty or not.

if it smells like a duck...

then we should definitely assume it is and forget about "innocent until proven guilty" and let blind emotion get in the way of facts.

torches! pitchforks! get some rope!

No one ever seems to point out how horrible and frightening it is for someone come out and speak about this stuff. Confronting the one who abused you is not fun, easy, or done lightheartedly. Part of why so many victims stay quiet is because of the omnipresent shame and degradation they feel they will receive when they tell the world that so-and-so abused them sexually. The victims are the ones that get run through the wringer, not the accused.

I'm pretty sure child pornography laws were not passed so the cops could arrest 16 years old doing nude selfies - anyway, isn't this arresting the victim? Maybe its the 'distribution' part of the law they are really enforcing. the well named twit feed.

AMES CITY COUNTY, Va. (CBSDC) – A local teenager is facing child pornography charges after police say she shared nude photographs of herself on the social networking site Twitter. According to WAVY, the unnamed 16-year-old suspect took “selfies” in which she was not wearing clothing, then shared them online at the end of last month.
from rawstory.com

Woody responds. Works for me. If anyone wants to keep the pitchfork raised and the torches burning, that's their waste of time and emotional energy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/op...f=opinion&_r=0

a letter written by his lawyers solves everything huh?

Rob, I hope you never sit on a jury.

Only naive DUMBFUCKS do jury trial. Why trust your fate to potentially ignorant, bigoted, or just stupid people? ALWAYS GO WITH A JUDGE. A JUDGE JUDGES PEOPLE FOR A LIVING. JUDGES UNDERSTAND THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES OF THE SENTENCES THEY HAND DOWN. Very often, even in a jury trial, the judge may use the jury's verdit but NOT their sentencing recommendation, because 9 out of 10 times the jury is excessively punitive.

Never go with a jury. Remember I told you that.

This is not a courtroom. Just a place to talk about current events.

Its a good question - he always gets his movies made and does anyone actually watch them. You hear about billion dollar directors who can't make the movies they want, so how does he get all the financing.

networking?

From an article in The Atlantic about Shirley Temple-Black


The casting couch is real, and still exists.

Regular people let this fucker slide for over 30 years, allegations after allegations, police reports, etc. "How could such a beloved public figure fuck pre-pubescent children?" they said.

Typical Americans, we knew Jimmy Saville was a paedo-creep way before it was cool.

John Lydon outed this scum in a radio interview in 1977 - was never followed up on, for God knows what reason...

As did also Jerry Sadowitz in 1987: http://vimeo.com/52162279

I never knew that about John Lydon, he might be a bit scattershot sometimes and i might not agree with him, but Jonny has always seemed a real trustworthy person. See also Jerry Sadowitz's bit

I'll always remember Savilles appearance on Have I Got News for You. I didnt grow up with him as a TV personality so when he showed up there (and on that Louis Theroux episode) it was the first id seen of him besides nostalgic video clip shows. Its kinda weird watching that episode back cos i recall at 15 or whatever thinking "He's one of them" and not even feeling remotely like i might be jumping to conclusions

which celebrities are showing themselves as allen apologists? i'd really like it for people to recognize what sort of overprivileged hypocrites the media gives a platform to tell the public what to think. most celebrities would want normals like us thrown in jail if we tried to say hi to them in the street, but they'll make the deliberate effort to defend a child molestor!! when their 'public relations' and 'common human decency' senses should be telling them to shut up. they see themselves as some angels above the rest of us because they went to so many charity banquets and like totally care about causes, if a great person like scarlett johansson can get along with woody allen it's impossible for him to have ever done wrong...right?

stephen king thinks dylan farrow is bitchy and doesn't want to believe her for example. there must be tonnes more

Given the sickeningly low conviction rate of child rape and rape in general, I think we can be forgiven for believing the accuser.

No, at least in the US actually the conviction rate is higher than probably any other crime, its the sentencing that is fucked up, too low. What is unforgivable is that not enough crimes are actually reported to the courts, which is then in part on us all now isn't it.

the conviction rate is high in the US????

Im calling bull, horse, and pig shit on that.

Where the hell did you learn that?

And also, what the fuck is wrong with you?

yes it is. perhaps you're confusing conviction rate with reporting rate and also we're talking about sexual abuse of children, not rape. Only 10% of crimes are reported, but between 85-95% of those which are result in either a conviction or a guilty plea-bargain. And yes, the rape conviction rates are shockingly, indeed shamefully low. But we're talking about child abuse here.









I've volunteered with the childrens' courts and family services and I'm also mandated reporter for child abuse, plus a simple google search couldn't hurt you now could it?


Do explain?

Suchy

I am not a feminist, I dont think I can ever be a "true feminist". I know and have known several feminists and I havent felt like my outlook can be consistent with feminism. This isnt a badge of honour or dishonour for me, its just the way i am.

But I have female relatives and friends, and some of them have been assaulted and havent seen the man involved convicted. Several of them have metal plates in their body because of this - and thats just the ones whove told me.

I cant believe I have to say this, but these people are the tip of the iceberg

Suchy, America and England are not radically different societies, you know someone who has been raped, at least two or three actually, who have never told you about it. In fact thats massively conservative, its probably alot higher

Only 10% of crimes are reported

please remember this.

That is what I was lamenting to begin with but you're talking about reporting, and that means its on all of us collectively for not calling that shit out enough. However, when you say the conviction rate is low that is not true, and it especially portrays a misleading picture. WHEN people are tried in the court of law for sexually abusing children, they are convicted, in fact, they actually plead guilty and take plea bargains even more than are outright convicted. The reality suggests that we don't need to empty our bad memory closet, ALL of us know somebody who was sexually abused as a child, and even a sizable portion of posters here were probably abused. However, the justice system is not failing them, its our society that is not stepping up to report the crimes in the first place. :confused::(:mad::(

CHILDREN

Im not talking about children, im talking about sexual assault in general, about which you seem to have a massive blind spot

Lets get down to it; what percentage of the time do you think women are lying when they report sexual assault claims?

I have a notional figure myself, which i am happy to reveal, but Id like to see what you think first

Stop attacking me, its ridiculous because I'm totally on your side, but this particular thread is titled "abused 7 year old daughter" hence its about child abuse.

Stop arguing through emotions. I'm not disregarding rape, its not what we've been talking about on this thread. And again, I'm as pissed off if not more that only 10% of sexual abuse gets reported, but I'm also satisfied with the conviction rate of those abusers who go to trial. It suggests that much more than 10% should be reported, which again, is on us as a society to report what we see, hear, or suspect, period, end of discussion.

As to rape, the horror is a different topic, this thread is depressing enough without going there. Why not just bring up the fucking Holocaust while we're at it. :(

Rape is explicitly what we've been discussing on this thread, so it was fair enough for me to question you on it

You dont want to talk about it, even when youve already expressed an opinion on the matter previously.

This is your prerogative as a poster on this board

The readers will judge you on your statements.

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No, we've been talking about sexual abuse of children. Sorry, you're off-topic.


And which opinion is that do tell?


And what exactly are your insinuations?

I want to take a picture of that post as a perfect example of someone avoiding an issue. Youve done it beautifully Suchy, bravo.

Sorry, you've must not be actually reading any of my posts on this thread, because if anything, I've been totally on point with this issue. I honestly don't know what you are insinuating, that I'm not sensitive to the issue? That I don't care about the sexual abuse of children? Quite the opposite. Maybe I took the troll bait. Either way, as you've said, my posts speak for themselves and after you go back and read my 4 responses on this thread on you'll see for yourself that you're out of line. Good night or good morning in England or whatever.

You said everything I knew you would say Suchy, you didnt have to make excuses for the underreporting of sex crimes, but you did, you didnt have to equivocate about what you think Sexual Assault it, but you did

You aint fooling anyone sunshine, its all there

Dude, I did no such thing, quite the opposite. I ACCUSE SOCIETY, NOT EXCUSED. OR CAN'T YOU READ.

I said, "Its on us."

I said, "we need to report everything we see, hear, or suspect."



Your English, so seriously, you have no excuse for being unable to read what I posted. You also owe me a fucking apology.

Oh yeah there was this

and this

Oh yeah, did you notice this one?

here is where I totally agreed with you.