No, didn't you get the memo?

Everyone is entitled to MY beliefs!

At least they will when I get elected dictator...

Zieg heil akprodr!
Mein fuhrer!

I'm interested to see McCain's reaction to this.

oh ok. just wanted to clear that up.

Catholics might as well as be Jews in some of their eyes.

Which is not too insane. For instance as a non-practicing Catholic, I've become way more interested in Judaism. But that is just me, but I still feel that there is a shared kind of seriousness at the centers of Catholicism and Judaism which these fringe "speaking in tongues" Christian factions just don't have.

I read reddit.com and articles are saying that he's tried to calm down his base in a town hall and was boo'ed.

http://jazz-from-hell.blogspot.com/2...upporters.html

Kinda funny. I live near a big Hasidic community. I find their practice of faith to be very... comforting. They seem to truly believe in the life beyond the faith or inclusive of the faith.

I find the 'speaking in tongues' fringe comment funny becuase my first exposure to it was my sister and brother-in-law--Roman Catholics in a 'Charismatic Community'. VERY strange to see your sister doing it.... ah no, not that--speaking in tongues.

Yah, I read it on yahoo. McCain about gave a concession speech.

I know the type of Christians that consider Catholics 'Christians'.
They fancy themselves non-denominational and study the Bible as if it were riddled in code, and claim the Catholics don't even read their Bible, at least, with new eyes. They may be right in that sense, but they're still all psychos.

I remember talking to a Christian--Assembly of God guy. It took me a while to realize "This guy takes the Bible literally". Probably not surprisingly, he didn't know that all Christians were off shoots of Catholicism.

I really don't get that--neither the Jews nor the Catholics take the bible literally and yet these 'Johnny come latelies' somehow determined--No, every misspelling was intentional.

And to me, it goes back to Jesus. How did he teach? With stories. Were the stories literally true? No, I don't think he intended them to be.

What is the bible but a collection of stories designed to teach!

Haha yeah, I'm talking alittle more extreme than those types of guys.

I'm talking the kind of people who study greek and hebrew and read the old translations to get a better understanding of what they're really talking about. To seperate the 'stories with morals like proverbs' and the actual teachings that are quite literal.

It's like those people who know every single thing about Star Wars and the Expanded Universe....but when it all comes down to it you're just memorizing and studying a long, boring, fantasy novel...

Yeah, I don't get that. My Catholic experience had more grandiose cathedrals and knee bending yet social liberalism (which I guess is a rare combination). I once went to a "modernized" church and felt like I was waiting for a doctor.

pertinent video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

of course, and as a christian i am entitled to give my two-cents on Christianity to those who clearly know shit about it.

Judging a religion on the behalf some of its followers is like judging algebra according to a few dumb asses who can't do any math. Everyone is free to have their own fucked up versions of anything, but algebra remains algebra whether you understand factoring or not, just as Christianity remains Christianity regardless if people practice what they preach.


I dont need to try to hide anything, you just are inflating and exaggerating to support your own silly misconception. Just admit that you know NOTHING about actual Christianity itself, rather, you harbor a bunch of opinions about a slim minority of christians... I'd be very careful trying to make such sweeping generalizations about the beliefs and actions of over ONE BILLION PEOPLE.

If you honestly believe that Christianity, or ANY religion for that matter is not full of a bunch of ignorant dumbasses... wow, have you got some learning to do.
Why do you think we're in Iraq?
Why do you think Hitler attempted a religious ethnic cleansing?
Why do you think neighboring countries hate Israel?
Why do you think the majority of the Republican party (who just so happen to be majorly populated by religious people) calls obama a "nigger" and calls democrats "commie faggots" (see the video posted)?

BECAUSE THEY'RE IGNORANT, THAT'S WHY.

Heh, I know PLENTY about Christianity, thank you. Probably too much. Thanks for assuming I know nothing! Great way to prove you're not an ignorant assuming asshole who thinks they know what they're talking about.

We are in Iraq because American big business has extensive interest in the region.

Hitler killed millions of Christians in the ovens alongside jews, so get that shit straight, Nazism is not christianity, you dick. Hitler was not a christian, he was insane, there is a world of difference. and further, the Nazis were funded by american big business interests as well.

Neighboring countries hate israel because Israel does not give a shit about their neighbors, and even worse is forcefully occupying extensive amounts of disputed territory, further, since when was Israel christian? did you know that the majority of Christian monuments and religious sites are in Muslim/Arab territory, not Israel?

The Republicans ARE the big business interests that have caused all the trouble mentioned above. Further, their racism has nothing to do with religion, it is just good ol fashioned country fried hate. Hate as equally based upon ignorance as your animosity towards christianity. Most black folks are also christians, so how is it that christianity facilitates racism?

Its like I said, you don't know SHIT about Christianity, and whats worse, you don't know shit about what is going on in the world today, or what has happened in the past. So perhaps my friend, it is you who has some learning to do, but alas, I am not your teacher.

You know, I'm trying to have a civilized conversation with you about this crap, but you instead pull out the insults... wow, way to be polite. Just because I'm calling your religion and its followers ignorant doesn't mean you have to pull insults out of your ass. I really don't give a shit what you think about me. Whether you think I'm stupid, or whatever, I don't care. It just proves how ignorant you are.

which insults do you speak of? If I called you a dick for connecting Hitler with Christianity I apologize, I have been spending the past three weeks buried in Holocaust and genocide literature, and I found the false connection beyond offensive, and so, yes, you were being a dick for saying it, and I called you out. further, you already have been insulting me as a christian on no less then three posts on this thread!

I also noticed that you did not address any of my responses to your questions, which I take as you implying they were correct.

Hahahaha. I haven't insulted you for being ANYTHING. Notice how I haven't insulted YOU, but your religion's followers? Yeah.

if you are insulting christians, you are insulting me, haven't you figured that out? You can criticize the religion with out insulting anybody, but you have chosen the red herring approach, so I have reacted in kind, throwing that smelly, false and pretentious nonsense back in your face, and as I expected, you platform of misinformation is crumbling under your feet.

Maybe you don't get what I'm saying here.
RELIGION IS THE REASON THIS COUNTRY CAN'T BE PUT BACK TOGETHER.
Everyone fighting over which religion is correct, what one is right... What I'm saying is it doesn't matter what religion you're following. The fact that religions endorse themselves and shun all others is what's ripping this country apart and ensures the fact that humanity will never come to peace. Ever. Unless we get something fixed when it comes to religion, that is. Which is highly unlikely. Christians are IGNORANT when it comes to realizing that. Guess what, so are muslims. So are catholics. You make take this as an insult, whatever, I don't care. this world would be so much better without religion wars and whatnot.

partially correct. It seems obvious to me that religion is used as a pretext in these situations, and the real motivations, be it the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the Holocaust, were all financial. It is not necessarily religion that motivates folks to kill each other, it is usually money.

When William Prince of Orange rebelled against the Pope establishing Protestantism as his state religion, it was not because he and the other protestants hated the religion Rome, it was because they hated paying taxes and tithes to the Pope, there is a big difference.

I'm with you on religious wars, but don't you understand that challenging people's religions will only create MORE religious wars, not less?

You've gotta challenge religion. Or there is no fixing anything. Period. You've gotta challenge what you think should be changed, or everything will stay the same forever. I don't have a problem with christians, I just think they're wrong in thinking their religion is the REAL and CORRECT religion. I say the same thing about muslims. Ignorance, as I've said.

I also agree with you here.

Ya know, until recently, I was all for religious tolerance. Recently, mostly with the rise of Ms. Palin, I've changed my mind.

Ya know, the earth is NOT 7000 years old. If you believe this, you are deluded and at least partially insane.

Ya know, if you're going to believe in the bible, you really shouldn't pick and choose. If you believe in a strict interpretation of the bible, you shouldn't eat pork and, by extension, shouldn't play football (I'm not sure, do they still use actual pig skin?) To the best of my knowledge, nothing in the New Testament 'undoes' the Old.

If you don't believe in evolution, how do you account for drug resistant bacteria?

No, I've come to believe that these fundamentalist Christians are dangerous.

I've also come to believe there really is only one problem with the United States society: lack of consideration for other people. As others have noted, everyone believes they are correct and those who believe something else is not worthy of consideration.

I think we have to stop thinking this is the greatest country on the planet. We need to really embrace 'think globally, act locally' not just with the environment but also regarding the economy and society.

I think we have to stop thinking "me and my family first". What's good is protecting you and your own, when the rest of the world is crumbling to ash?

I don't know, did Gene Roddenberry leave us a road map on how to get to the world of Star Trek? I think getting rid of profit and money will do a lot to cure our society.

And remember, everyone is entitled to MY beliefs.

I would gladly give up my future dictatorship to Aaron Sorkin. I only watched some of the last couple of seasons but it was a great show.

The only way to kill religion is by proving aliens exist.

The government is covering that up nicely though, because without religion as a scapegoat for their financial based 'holy' wars...what would they do?

Probably blame it on the aliens...but then again...there is a certain religion that may benifit from the revelation of that information...

hmm...
vicious cycle?

do drugs. don't worry. be happy.

Shit, thats the fucking American way! that and eating bleached flour!

I eat wheat flour you cunt. & drugs aren't the American way, that's why we go visit Amsterdam.

Edit: on second thought, I'm not the typical American and am not defending my country. Just myself.

I eat whole wheat too. :(

go to the market, look at the ingredients of all the "american" food, its bleached flour. illegal or not, go up into 7 out of 10 houses on the block, you'll find a stash of some kind of drug in that motherfucker, and at least 1 out of 10 will be the dealer!

ezekiel bread.

and are you giving me shit about drugs on a sonic youth message board?

I think you misunderstood me there, I was being facetious.