also, people who own guns tend to have the "come get some"
mentality. they fail to take preventitive steps that people without deadly weapons do.

go ahead punks, make my day.

like my ruger

ya think?

my point exactly.

time

to

leave now.

iwanztgoeatmçyfuckingdinnersomwhere.

yr a disgusting FREAK.

does girlgun know you're talking about her that way?

actually, for the little i know about her, she might thing it's funny...

no, my attack cat actually listens to me...sometimes.

you are more likely to have your credit card cloned or something, so that's the credit card trick they know. in my case, i lock the door, there are codes and security cameras around the common areas. that still didnt stop my card from being cloned, fuck.

i mean i'd like to shoot the bastard, but he didn't have the decency of coming over.
oh, and i don't have a gun.
and he'd probably be like what do you wanna shoot me for, the company has refunded you.
but still.
so many hours on the phone.

truth be told.


that sucks. i've been lucky so far, it hasn't happened to me yet.


i'm sure people have killed over call centers.
if there's something nerve-criging and violence inducing is music on hold.

on par with mouth breeders and noisy eaters, i'd say.
i'd gladly kill those fuckers.

thank you. I wish more americans could see this shit right in front of their faces.. humans are far to impulsive to own and have access to such dangerous weapons.

amen!


guns end up on the street after they are stolen from legal gun owners, train/ship yards, the back of trucks, and of course gun dealers report (this is what they report, who can imagine what they don't mention) 30,000 missing firearms a year in the US.

In california it is simple. We stopped selling so many fucking guns, and they disappeared of the street. Ten years ago three of my friends were all shot, I was shot at in front of my fucking grandma's house. You could get a gun on the street for 200 bucks.. They sold 9mm handguns at Walmart and there were several gunshops. The street guns were stolen by the PALLET from the shipping and train yards at the LA Harbor. They were plentiful to say the least.

Now there are no gun shops, it is extremely difficult to purchase them, you even need ID and waiting period to buy ammunition, and newsflash, gun violence is down record numbers, and I haven't heard of anywhere near the amount of shootings which I used to see first hand.

in other words, as counter-intuitive as it sounds, California has proven that gun control works. I won't even argue with y'all, I am just giving you my testimony regarding guns on the street of Los Angeles, something I know about from personal experience.


exactly. Guns are ridiculous in america, they are used to kill people for the government, and much worse, for absolutely nothing at all.



no rob, criminals steal guns from law abiding sources. I know we disagree on this, but I believe California has already demonstrated a point made above


It is not as extreme as it sounds. Everywhere else but America people are ready to give up guns, and feel threatened by a mass armed society. In Cali we got rid of all the guns, all the gun shops, all the gun dealers, all the gun shows, and all the guns coming through the harbor by the container load, and like magic there were thousands of less shootings. The criminals did not run a muck, in fact its quite the opposite, the criminals are FAR LESS armed then they were before.
Saying that making guns illegal will only benefit criminals is the same drug prohibition argument, that legalizing drugs will make more heroin addicts. Netherlands already proved that is a fallacy, just as California has already proven it a fallacious argument that gun control benefits criminals and that criminals will have more guns than society if you restrict access.

fucking-A, thank you. You summed up my whole post in two sentences. props.

see, this is why i like Rob. He's talking complete batshit, but at least i know what he means.

I remember when the Virginia Tech shooting happened i had a fairly big arguement with you on here about guns, dunno if that rings a bell with you?

in regards to blades, the UK has had approx 100 knife murders of youths in the past decade.. here in Los Angeles even WITH a lot less guns a hundred youths a years a killed by gun violence :(

We'll take our chances with knives fo sho!

Violence I can handle, its guns that are tricky. They are permanent violence, see it is hard to kill a person with your bare hands, so it is rarely an accident. People get maimed and killed even by ACCIDENT by guns all the time, let alone those who are shot or killed on purpose but in the heat of the moment. No guns= no opportunity to kill so easily. Violence I can handle, its guns I don't want around.

So you don't think gun licensing is even marginally effective?

i'm sure it is but i'm an all or nothing kind of guy, i also like to play devil's advocate.

thats the thing about guns, its a disconnected thing when you pull the trigger, whereas stabbing someone takes alot more viciousness, its alot more personal act. The right to bear arms is the single greatest fuck up in your otherwise exceptional constitution

as for the guns reaching criminals, most of them aren't taken from citizens, most of them are legally purchased by people being paid to do so.

and as for stabbing in the UK, i'm sure the number is more significant than that, but still.

I can see everyone's point here. But I am still going to keep my guns. Sorry, I'm not going to try and kill a rattle snake with a knife. I will protect my children so they can go outside. With out my dad's shotgun I would have had pretty much nothing to eat as a child, since our main source of food was deer meat and garden vegetables. I know you can live on only veggies but we did not have a soy bean processing plant to make fake meat with.

I really do not see why people cling on to the constitution for what they believe in and choose to ignore what others believe in from the constitution. For example:I personally do not agree with abortion, but it is a constitutional right and that is fine with me if people choose that path because it is thier right to do so in this country.

On another note we do need more gun control. We need more honest vendors that do follow the waiting periods and background checks. I am sure that gun violence would go down if we eliminated them, but it would still exist.

As far as the shooting itself goes, this woman should not have even been teaching. She should have been in jail 20 years ago. Her history clearly shows that crappy police work in the 1980's allowed her to continue on a path of violence. Maybe if someone had paid some attention to her lack of mental stability she would have already been jailed years ago and it would not have come to this.

other people's abortions do not affect you, other people's guns might.

knew youd reply, i very much like our differences. you make this place more interesting

i took my happy pills today

that number is for 16-24, and murder, there are approx 20,000 stabbings over all, but they do not result in homicide. In Los Angeles, the average is well over 100 16-24 youths murdered by gun violence a year, and I can't even FIND the statistics on how many shootings :( again, here in LA we would LOVE to go back to knife fight days, then I might have a few friends still alive :(

"
The most popular murder weapon remains the knife or other sharp instrument, such as a broken bottle, with 255 of the 651 deaths analysed the result of a fatal stabbing. This compares with 271 knife murders the year before.
However, the police figures show that the overall level of knife crime has fallen by 12%, with particularly substantial declines in robberies and attacks involving grievous bodily harm, suggesting that it is not improved treatment for victims that is behind the fall in the murder rate.
There is a similar picture in gun crime where the number of murder victims has fallen from 53 to 39 – the lowest number since 1989." (from the Guardian.co.uk)


SHIT IN LOS ANGELES THERE ARE between 150-250 POLICE RELATED GUN HOMICIDES ALONE! Just the city!



a) keep yr shotgun, I'm primarily talking about regulating hand guns and assault rifles. DC is following LA's example, I am sure their hand gun deaths and shootings will massively decline, even though the NRA folks are convinced that if you take away citizen's access to fire-arms you only arm the criminals. It just ain't true :(

b) abortion is not a constitutional right, and neither is gun ownership, rather these are current, temporary interpretations of the Constitution, and in the future as in the past, could be reinterpreted removing anachronisms to make the laws fit into our contemporary reality

c) I never said get rid of ALL guns (though in truth, that would be nice) but I definitely agree with the STRICT control of guns, as done here in California

d) knox, in cali there are so many strict background checks and waiting periods, the VAST majority of street guns are stolen from dealers/warehouses/shipping yards. I used to know a couple of folks who were into that kind of shit a few years back, they used to gank straps by the pallet! Much much easier then getting someone to go in and buy you a gun taking the risk to report it stolen after the fact.

the NRA is shit. I hate when people take shit to extremes

however
you did not respond to my point.

which is
i cannot kill you with my abortion.

dear suchfriends,

i watched this documentary tv show about the violence in mexico, like i said.
it was about the us, not about california.
99,9% of the guns used to create absolute chaos and horror in mexico come from the us.
apparently, you need some bureaucracy to purchase a gun in most states, but afterwards, you can "lose it", or "give it away", and there is no regular paperwork after you purchase it.

Doyou really want me to get into it? Cause I'm going to.

in my opinion it is murder to kill an unborn child. God put that sperm and egg together with plans of new life and creation. So you may not be able to kill me, but you are able to kill an innocent. I don't care about all that science shit "it's not technically a human untill a certain point" that is an exuse to justify murder.

I believe that abortions are nessicary in certain instances, but I think it is wrong moraly to kill a child simply because you were not planning on getting pregnant. When you get pregnat your body is not yours any more. It is a cradle of life. You have to start thinking of some one besides yourself. Your childs rights are more important than your own.

I didn't ask for your opinions on abortion. I simply made a point that people's right to abort - despite your opinion - cannot harm you. People carrying a gun can (and does) harm you and other people.

If you really care about the killing of innocents, you'd be more concerned with the gun industry. The number of people killed in the world as a result of the manufacturing and selling of guns is way superior to the number of babies that get aborted anyway, I guarantee you.

Please exuse i misread. Yes it can but that does not exclude my right to own one. We need better restrictions and better regulations. I am not for passing out automatic weapons to anyone. I stand on my right to survive. Not just against people but animals.

Let me ask you this: if you walked on your front porch and a 6 ' cotton mouth was waiting for you. What are you gonna do? Get the kitchen knife? Chase it with a shovel? Then when and if you kill him his mate is gonna come along next cause that is what they do.

When I was about 5 me and my brother were sitting under a beautifull tree in the woods in our back yard while my momma picked blackberries from the ditch. I look up and hanging in the tree limbs above my head is a rattle snake about 8" wide and 5' long. We run to the neighbors whose home was about 30' away from where we were. They shot it with a shot gun and ate it for dinner.
One of the scariest days of my life.

I don't know. But I had this student from Siria and he said there were a lot of snakes where he used to live and he knows how to grab them and kill them with his bare hands.

Most people in the world that live in areas with dangerous animals have no guns (natives for example), learn about them and how to deal with them and how to protect themselves in other ways.

Alternatively, people can deal with dangerous animals with non-lethal weapons that can put them to sleep without having to kill them.

There is nothing that justifies the selling of guns as a "right". It's almost as if you're saying everyone has the right to potentially murder someone else.

But most likely, I'd just go back inside.

what a load of utter shit.

i think she's also saying God intended the world to be over populated with people living under the worst conditions.

I shouldn't even be saying this, as a non-native English speaker, but her spelling offends my OCD.

Don't you get it I am concerned about the gun industry. It is in dire need of attention. I just don't think it's right to strip away all guns.

Also some statistics I have verified:
aproximitly 1,460,000 babies are aborted each year in America



Per the Center for Disease Control, latest figures (2005) show 30,694 firearm deaths (all races, all ages, both sexes) in the United States.

I know you can do the math.

No that is why we have wars and uncurable diseases population control

Fuck my spelling this a message board not a spelling test. If that is your only OCD problem yr lucky

I could say the same about you.

I don't think you are considering the damage of the american gun industry in other countries tho. Most of the violence and organized crime all over latin america happens with the guns manufactured there.

Also, I believe that you can understand abortion is not the same as murder, and having someone murdered after they are actually born affects more people in more ways.

Do you think america can handle 1.460.000 extra million people a year? just asking.

oh so God wants people to be born so he can kill with wars and uncurable diseases? what a fucking sociopath.

and no, that's not my only OCD problem, it's just one of them. but i am indeed lucky.