It'd be quite remarkable to see one of those cunts injure dozens of people within an hour with a knife. I mean, you can't even do it from a car, it really slows you down.

why is it americans think everyone is out to get them? that seems to be the thing i am picking up on here and the pro gun thread.

can you read? i said he would never use a knife, which you seem to think is the other option, it's not. he can go on a bus with a bomb and kill the same amount of people with no effort.

so yeah it'd be remarkable, but nobody would try it. guns are not the worst case scenario by any stretch of the imagination

to get back to the thread topic, the final body count amounted to 8 (including the gunman).

now, a bit of dark humour to enlighten the situation:

strange how he wore ear protection while carrying about on a suicide mission

hi apparently did not intend to commit suicide, he decided to do so to when he got surronded by police officers.
that guy was 48 years old and had an Albanian origin, as the latest investigation uncovered.

I'd venture to say that when you walk around in city streets in broad daylight shooting people with a an old rifle that you haven't given much thought to the aftermath.... if so having considering your final act. I'd have assumed he plans to continue until someone puts him down firing back, and would assume he might have committed that. The fact that he took the gun to himself makes it even more evident that he was suicidal because he could have surrendered.

Either way, it's just bizarre that he's protecting his hearing.... but I guess anything goes when you're that far gone.

If only you were there, you could have went all Jack Carver on his ass ;)

I had forgotten about Columbine.

A destabilized balance between personal rights and social responsibilities fortified by an equally destabilized history and economy, off the top of my head.

so you buy all that? so because someone throws out one of the most vague, overstated, generalized stereotypes possible... not even worth responding to, and you've gone all psychiatrist again....

... but on a serious note, your grade-school, internet psychology never lacks to amuse. I'm learning too.... moody, aimless, underachieving individuals don't make good psychiatrist, especially on the level of social internet.

you're no different than the gun owners you deam as all deranged..... except your paranoia is that nobody is mentally stable and sane, or as righteous as you see yourself.... and your ammo is your cheesy, overzealous attempts to psychologically critic everyone as unstable and crazy. But it's worth noting.... you're shooting blanks. You use all the psychology textbook standards and eagerly apply them to any situation in question, but just because your terminology has meaning, doesn't mean it always, if ever applies to every situation you choose to critic.

for your own good.... and I feel like I'm telling you this as a friend.... you remind me of a resident nurse or even doctor that is fresh out of school and fresh out of the books and takes every nick and nack and diagnosis it to the extreme... just because - armed with their newfound, overwhelming bank of knowledge, they can. perhaps you read to many books? too many self help books?

excuse her, she's on a stubbornly obsessive mission to prove that over-manufacturing of firearms is at the root of all mankinds evil.... which of course could be eliminated if the public wasn't allowed to own firearms... oh wait, we're past that, now if there where strict restrictions on the manufacturing of firearms.

BTW, I own more guns manufactured NOT from my own country (U.S.) over other countries (German, Swiss)..... but you would think that America, and it's lack of governmental control over firearm manufacturers within the U.S. fuels the worlds violence?

None of what you quoted was particularly psychological.

However, if you are referring to when I got psychological in 'pro guns movement' thread, then you should know I wasn't all that serious in those diagnoses. I was bored. Idleness is the beginning of all psychology. Really, though, I don't care either way about people owning guns. The initial replies to that thread made that abundantly clear. Knox seemed the underdog, though, so I psychobabbled to stir the pot. You seem adequately stirred, though perhaps a bit late. Were you simmering? Were you waiting with bated breath to tell me off?

Anyway, the ironic spectacle of being called 'grade-school' in a mostly uncapitalized, long-winded rendition of the classic 'you talk like a fag, bookworm' argument was worth it, though the ellipses did get to be too much.

gun owners suffer from paranoia due to religion and the media in america.

You see it that way, but we aren't the ones generally afraid of guns. Seems those that are afraid are the ones worried someone is out to get them.

he's not a terrorist, he's merely a pycho blowing up buses it's not their thing.

You see. This is what Jon is talking about. Nobody even remotely called anyone derranged. The responses to everything seem to be disproportionate.

Lol. You talk like a fag. I love it.

You didn't seriously just say that....

Again, trying to twist everything around to get an angle. That shit can only work for so long. You + Jon Toy BOTH have referred to people as deranged (in more or less words) on more than one occasion.

The American Society as a whole has a derranged element to it? But nobody called anyone derranged individually.
Except you, because you are. But then you called me derranged.
And then we were even.

No, you started that shit. I started playing very nice and you tried to use something as simple as an avatar to say something about "my character" + how "my opinion should be invalid"...that was basically what you were getting at. The same avatar you proved to know nothing about but speak out against, as if that should aid me in taking your opinions on any given subject seriously.

+ nearly every society has a "deranged" (put in quotations so knox might not misspell this word for the fourth time) element to it. We just happen to be the most popular.

Oh yeah, deranged. Thanks for being useful.
But no, I meant it. Those things you say about Manson were really creepy, I kind of hoped it was a joke but since it wasn't I can't take anything you say on the subject seriously. Sorry.

What did I say? Even remember?

I remember YOU saying things that weren't true, and me shedding a little light on the subject...that's what I remember.

And you are creepy, just so ya know. A fucking nutcase that seems to feel she has the answers for the lives of everyone else.

i am talking about the way you feel the need to carry a gun because you think everyone else has one and could use it so you need to protect yourself. that should be obvious.

Here is the video of the gunman final moments, short before he commited suicide.

http://krimi.cas.sk/clanok/178526/mr...devinskej.html

click on the video that appears on the link site.

You'd be surprised how many of us have them just as a means of excercising our right to carry one. This is the only reason why I've ever considered getting one.

Others, just think collecting them is fun....kinda like artifacts. No different than others who choose to collect records or stamps. For better or worse, they are a valid part of history.

+ as far as those that choose to carry/own them for the reasons you speak of...it isn't ALWAYS out of fear, it's often (probably more than often...) out of the knowledge...the FACT...that sometimes the enemy MIGHT have one. SOunds like a pretty good excuse to own one to me.

sounds like they got you where they want you.

To believe that is to say you believe the enemy likely doesn't have a gun and you shouldn't have a right to defend yourself.

And who is this "they" you speak of. Examples please.

Yeah, I remember:"He had a good message to the world and there was more love in his family than in most families." Lol. I am creepy. You gotta be a total nutcase to want to take guns away from people and feel so strongly about it, right? Yeah, I'm insane.

lol.
sounds like something else to me.
"THE ENEMY"
hahah

He did, and does have a good message.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATWA

You should consider not trusting yr television so much.

Yeah, the same one you prefer hiding in yr closet and calling the cops on.

Are you trying to say he isn't a crazy sociopath?

No crazier than anyone else...nope.

I'm not one of those that feels just because someone MIGHT have done a terrible thing (or even if they DID do one) that they are capable of no good. That's absurd.

So you'd never use a gun against one of your "enemies"?

sorry to jump in this randomly, I was just passing by and read a few posts here and there...

I have no qualms about one killing someone else in self defense, nope. Most sane people don't.

Oh, right, yeah, well then.
If that's what you really think then it's kind of pointless to even try to take your opinions seriously on this subject. Sorry again, we'll try some other subject.

But you yourself have openly admitted to falling short of total mental health.

So full of contradictions.

You must remember Manson never killed anyone, not one person.

I would prefer that yes, but burglars walking into people's homes when they're in is far from being one of the most common types of crime.

The worst lunatic is the one who believes to be sane.

It's more common than murder.