"Another one of my idol's would have to be Sting. His music through the years, I don't really listen to. But he's making it and I respect that"

Do any of you have the Throbbing Gristle 24 CD set?

No but i've listened to it in its entirety on Resonancefm when it came out.I could have taped it all but i'm a drunken buffon!

Ah, they played the whole thing!?!

I remember when it came out, and I thought, "oh! I must save some cash to buy it!!". It never happened, this makes me sad.

Yeah a whole weekend was dedicated to playing it in its entire and glorious self.

I'm sure I could DL somewhere online. But it wouldn't be the same. Bitches.

Pardon my ignorance but what does DL mean?

download? Aha, hey?

Oh,you internet people should start speaking properly!!!

Its ok dear, you can't always be on top of things.

I sold all of my Ministry cds when I was 16....I kind of regret that.

I. Need. That. Fucking. TG. 24. Thing. You. Fuckers.

Me too man, me too.

I would suggest early Whitehouse.....
Every NON album I have heard was really great, Definitely not into his work under his own name though, I am completely disinterested in his opinions, right wing neo-fascism is not my thing, and he also wrote that terrible 'pro-rape' article for Answer Me! I think for the rape issue. Whitehouse also has misogynest (sp???) lyrics and songtitles too but like NON the lyrics are buried and distorted (rapemaster, etc.). Big Black is another really incredible industrial band, although with more of a hardcore punk thing going on not unlike Ministry. Big Black had a huge impact on that kind of sound.

Yeah, and everything written in Answer Me! was meant to be taken as 100% serious and literal...

Is that article anywhere on the net? I think Mr Rice is a fascinating character, always a lot more interesting than Willhelm Bennett. The schticks worn too thin with Whitehouse for me.

I don't know for sure, but the audio clips of him on Bob Larson's radio show that he has available on his website are completely priceless.

Answer Me!! Did have some brilliant stuff, I know Boyd Rice is really into being offensive and making people angry but that is just really not where my head is at. Misogeny, racism, gay bashing...... Its really tiresome. I hear enough of this shit at work I don't need it in my music. NON is some of the best music in the planet though.

I just* mentioned Whitehouse over in the unpleasent music thread.


Just, as in yesterday.

The "gay bashing" tag is really unfair and inaccurate, though. I mean, look at who he works with. Douglas P, for example, is just one of the many known homosexuals with whom Boyd has had longtime musical collaborations and lasting friendships. I could name more, but it needs to be said. There are a whole lot of misconceptions about him, and being supposedly "anti-gay" is just one of them.

http://www.boydrice.com/faq.html

I'm listening to the Bob Larson interview now. It's about 5 minutes in and already hilarious.

Look,i think that you have to read inbetween the lines of what he says and you need to know his motivations to REALLY understand what Boyd Rice is getting at with comments like that.

Oh OK I take it back then about the gay bashing. I forget why I thought that. I read a bunch of interviews with him a few years ago and memory is a little fuzzy... For a while I was really into stuff like Answer Me!!, Boyd Rice, Lydia Lunch, GG Allin, Nick Zedd, Richard Kern, etc...

By the way there are a couple great NON and Throbbing Gristle videos on www.youtube.com

back on topic, everyone keeps mentioning rammstein and manson, but how can you guys forget the first band which had the violent industrial approach combined with hardcore rhythms and martial lyrics???

PRONG guys, c'mon already. PRONG!!! with Ted Parsons from THE SWANS on drums... how can't you see this is easily the best industrial band out there??? they developed that sound...

check out CLEANSING or RUDE AWAKENING...

http://www.boydrice.com/home.html

Click on Audio/ Video, and the interviews are there. They're fucking brilliant.

Aceness.

i think prong are more in line with the whole helmet kinda school of punk/metal shit that was happening back then than with industrial, even thought they did use a lot of samples.

The podcast is a divine call from the Gods of hearing.

just read the facts and questions page, there is some funny shit on there:

"If others choose to see the world in terms of sugar, spice and everything nice, that's certainly their prerogative, and I would never dream of trying to tell them otherwise. However, I might suggest that they always keep a loaded pistol on the off chance that they could possibly be mistaken."

"Time and time again I've been called a Nazi because I've shown an interest in the Third Reich. I'm also obsessively fascinated with Walt Disney and Disneyland, but I've yet to be labeled a Mouseketeer..."

Haha.One of my favourite Saint Etienne songs on there!Awesome!

HE'S THE MAN!!

......and the motherfucker is also playing Girls Garage stuff wich is just too much goodness crammed in 1 hour and 26 minutes for me!

I think that modern noise music has alot more in commen with the original industrial music than it does with modern industrial. Wolf Eyes, Prurient, Emil Beaulieau, etc. all would have been considered industrial if they were working in the 1970s. The newer music that I have heard that is filed under industrial sounds more like cheesy techno with bad vocals and midrangey guitars and has strayed far from the original ideas, or at least that is what I hear...

This is an obvious comment but I thought I would throw it out anyways

some wolf eyes does defiantly have an industrial edge, and most noise artists owe some to early industrial, but i still think its a whole nother beast.

I think, sonically, I can see the 'new-noise' bands being a lot like early industrial, but I think there is a great deal more intelligence (and often Englishness) to the industrial stuff which keeps me coming back.

You haven't experienced industrial unless you've heard skinny puppy. Especially if you're into the shock value of this genre...
quite fucked up i might add.


They were the main influence on bands such as throbing gristle, nine inch nails, etc.

sorry but throbbing gristle influenced skinny puppy, tg started way before sp.

I was going to make a giant lex luthorish post and end it in WRONG! commenting her post. Skinny Puppy is boring, though.

Well maybe now music is more visceral. What is more intelligent about early industrial?

fuck, that's what i meant. Whatever. I'm glad someone corrected it