Originally Posted by evollove

SUCH: As usual, your enthusiasm is charming (which is why we all love you) but unconvincing.

And for the record: no one WANTS to dislike Eternal. I'm sure we'd all be happy if it had been the greatest thing SY ever made. But I think the general verdict says it's simply not.

But you are right about how the songs improved live. Then again, a fantastic boot I have features Tom Violence, a DDN song or two, and a big chunk of Sister. Those songs, even after 10,000 listens, are still mind-blowing. The Eternal stuff is merely better than the studio recordings. And that's the way it is.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

That is a cop out, like when all a professor writes is "Nice job" on a huge research paper, when all you really wanted was for him to go for the jugular with his red pen ;)

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

noisecore

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

You sound really patronising there, Suchfriends. First because you are making the sort of sweeping generalisation that groups all disciplines with the same critical analysis, and second because on your previous post you seem to suggest that artistically there is a set deal of feelings to follow if you want to "get" a band. Don't take it the wrong way, but unless you (yous) have enough evidence to pluralise your opinions on the motivations for an artist to continue creating, you should just keep quiet.

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

I did express my feelings earlier on the same thread. Honestly, this is no conspiracy to make you look a bit stupid.

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

My experience is that you´re not approved on SY board if you like both Rather Ripped and the Eternal. It seems you have to hate both or one of them if you want to be someone who is respected here. I know here are fans who like them both, but they very rare say their opinion (I understand them, because there is too much people who want to threw their hate everytime it´s possible).

I hope SY will continue, if they can make as great records as Eternal is. But I also think it´s better to split than make any lousy record and I really believe SY will do it, if they notice they don´t have anything to give anymore.

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

My experience is that you´re not approved on SY board if you like both Rather Ripped and the Eternal. It seems you have to hate both or one of them if you want to be someone who is respected here.

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

so there's no point in disscussing this bullshit, Youth ended after NYC ghost and flowers. they made four more albums and they're still in denial.

and what happen to those fucking weird tunings?.....like they were wanting to be pavement after Ghost and Flowers. i'd rather listen to "Brighten the Corners".

i want my sonic tooth back. not pave tunings. those nervous life affirming tunings.

Originally Posted by Severian

I don't agree about it being the "perfect SY album," but I am on board with just about everything else you're saying. I too was extremely excited for Eternal, as I have been for every new SY album since the mid 90s. However, I have been listening to them long enough to know never to be surprised if an album doesn't grab me on the first listen. Very few of them have, and I knew Eternal would probably be no different. It's taken Mich lo Ger than usual for this one to grab me, but it finally has.

I think the album stands out or its production, which is often shat on by fans, but is actually extremely precise. Yes, it's kind of "big rock" sounding, but it's "big rock" done extremely well.

Originally Posted by demonrail666

You make it sound as though people are deliberately going against their true instincts by saying they dislike those albums. I suppose some might but as someone who dislikes both (although I quite like a couple of songs on Eternal) it seems to me that SY in recent years have almost no connection with what initially got me interested in them. Not better or worse, necessarily, just incomparably different. Apart from loyalty or curiosity, what is there in Rather Ripped or The Eternal that should make a fan of Confusion is Sex or Bad Moon Rising feel in any way obliged to care about them?

That may well make me narrow minded but not dishonest or (heaven forbid) searching for respect here. I never expected or wanted SY to stop progressing, I just don't really care much for where that progression has taken them.

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

sure, Rather Ripped sucks (dick). just like The Eternal is the big Climax (cum) shot of the whole portion of the film.

get what i'm fucking saying???? huh? The Eternal is Rather Ripped part 2 just like Sonic Nurse is Murray Street part two, just less melodic and more boring.

so much for that satisfying orgasm.

edit/drugs....why doesn't no one correct me? speak up.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Honestly I think Murray Street is the black sheep of the past ten years, I always wondered why all the Sonic SNOBS gave it such acclaim while only to shit on later greater albums ;)

To me? The duds are EJSTNS and Murray Street, and everything is else is gold yo! 17 for 19 aint bad, those are straight Shaq attack numbers!!

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Kurdt died for nothing.

Originally Posted by Murmer99

It really doesn't have to be anymore complicated than just realizing the majority aren't very fond of RR or The Eternal. I have yet to see anyone express a feeling of "betrayal" because they were disappointed in the last two albums... which is just silly.

I actually believe both albums have received an abundance of unnecessary criticism in the past ("past" being the key word), as both are still very listenable. But why would a "serious music fan" settle for mediocrity in the first place? Of course my expectations will be high for this band.... why wouldn't they be? regardless of the preceding albums. My experiences listening to both of those records have been intermittent, and maybe someday I will appreciate them more... but right now that just isn't the case. It has more to do with preference than anything else.

And no offense... but to me it sounds like you're attempting to invigorate something that even you don't think is a big deal (apparently). I will stay loyal to them and whatever the members do elsewhere, that doesn't mean I abruptly begin feeling like the band has betrayed me because I was disappointed in their last album. I do however question why you'd want them to persist in releasing records that are merely listenable, and have hardly much else to offer aside from that.... as it could result in deplorable redundancy.

Not thoroughly enjoying the latter part of SY's career isn't really relevant when it comes to posting on here, is it? The Eternal was released in 09, and for all we know that was the final studio album we'd ever hear out of them again. But you're still visiting this board, no? I firmly agree with a lot of demonrail's comments, and they're still probably my favorite band of all time. They have done enough for me to accept whatever direction they choose to pursue... This is a very similar outlook I have on many artists whom I admire. I don't expect them to be impeccable... every single piece of work a masterpiece. This doesn't make it impervious for me to dislike something they've done.

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Nobody is in any position to suggest how people should feel about an artist's body of work.

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

Sonic Nurse would have been the perfect ending. enough said. i still love the etermal thogh.

Originally Posted by E. Noisefield

It was a question. Not a suggestion. Every single person in this thread is speaking about their own feelings.

Try reading the thread title, reading the posts, and even *thinking* before you try to snark off on everyone.

Smile, Charlie.

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

Based on my rankings [below], I completely agree.

Sonic Youth - 6/10
Confusion Is Sex + Kill Your Idols - 8/10
Bad Moon Rising - 7/10
Evol - 9/10
Sister - 10/10
Daydream Nation - 10/10
Goo - 8/10
Dirty - 9/10
Experimental Jet Set, Trash & No Star - 7/10
Washing Machine - 9/10
A Thousand Leaves - 6/10
New York City Ghosts & Flowers - 5/10
Murray Street - 9/10
Sonic Nurse - 8/10
Rather Ripped - 7/10
The Eternal - 7/10

The Whitey Album - 7/10

Originally Posted by EVOLghost

lol.

EJSTNS? Bad? LOL!

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Sonic Youth - 7
Confusion Is Sex - 9
Bad Moon Rising - 9
EVOL - 8
Sister - 9
Daydream Nation - 8
Goo - 7
Dirty - 6
Experimental Jet Set, Trash & No Star - 1
Washing Machine - 6
A Thousand Leaves - 9
New York City Ghosts & Flowers - 8
Murray Street - 6
Sonic Nurse - 11+
Rather Ripped - 6
The Eternal - 5

The Whitey Album - 4

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

Based on my rankings [below]Sonic Nurse - 8/10

Originally Posted by louder

Sonic Nurse - 8/10

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Sonic Nurse - 11+

Originally Posted by Murmer99

Sonic Nurse - 10

Originally Posted by demonrail666

That's probably the album I've listened to least. It's never grabbed me in any way but, given its almost across the board love, I'm sort of curious to give it another go now.

Have it on now.