Just found black metal a couple of weeks ago, and have been listening to heaps of it since. If you are a fan of early Sonic, Branca, Lydia Lunch etc black metal is a somewhat similar sounding genre with it's noise and tones.

If you are not put of by the vocals and lyrics here are some recommendations:

Prurient - Incense and Rubber
Xasthur - Prison Of Mirrors
Amesoeurs - Ruines Humaines
Burzum - Dunkelheit
Burzum - Gebrechlichkeit 2
Burzum - Jesu Død
Drudkh - Decadence
Coldworld - Red Snow
Blut Aus Nord - Procession of the Dead Clowns
Blut aus Nord - Odinist
Blut Aus Nord - Our Blessed Frozen Cells
Wolves In The Throne Room - Queen Of The Borrowed Light
Wolves in the Throne Room - I Will Lay Down My Bones Among the Rocks and Roots
Wolves in the Throne Room - A Looming Resonance
Wolves In The Throne Room - The Cleansing
Wolves In The Throne Room- Astral Blood
Cobalt - Gin
Drudkh - Decadence
Wodensthrone - Heofungtid
Drudkh - Glare of Autumn
Drudkh - Solitary Endless Path
Deathspell Omega - Kénôse I
Deathspell Omega - Apokatastasis Pantôn
Deathspell Omega - Abscission
Woods of Infinity - Mörkrädd
Woods of Infinity - A Love Story
Ulver - Hymn IV - Wolf and Man

No.

That wasn't the problem that I had with it. It was the word "still" that I didn't like.

As far as I'm aware I was the first (and only?) person here to mention mid-life crisis. Although I was being (mostly) humorous and put this down more to TM's musical decline over the past few years than your traditional mid-life crisis.

I'm waiting for mine to kick in by the way. I'm looking forward to it. Any suggestions welcome.

Do you fancy coming to Dalston Superstore next Saturday?

Sounds great. Do they specialise in clothes for the mid-life criser?

I just wanna know what qualifies as 'square', nowadays

Pot smoking. Multiple piercings. Tattoos.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to blunderbuss again

They don't that I know of but they supply the divine intervention that inspires the clothes.

I suppose I should stop liking BM now that I am fastly approaching the age (DEATH) when one's (DEATH) taste (DEAD) in music should mellow down (DIE).

For the record, I always wanted to be 60 since I was a 10 year old. I was pleased enough to make it past my 20th birthday so that my balls reached an appealing state of sexiness.

join to yr list
wolves in the throne room - two hunters
altar of plagues - white tomb
deafheaven - roads to judah
bosse de nage - III
Mütiilation: Hail Satanas We Are The Black Legions ( a thurston fav.)

Tnx, will check them out :)

Black Metal: Beyond The Darkness provides an overview in an in-depth reader format, bridging the gap between conventional accounts of the scene and the new pan-academic focus on Black Metal as a conduit for socio-cultural expression.






The book is a contemporary reader on a genre often maligned by the press as overtly concerned with nihilism, destructiveness and an insular obsession with Satanism and aggressive nationalism. In reality, Black Metal is a constantly evolving vehicle for musically and ideologically progressive groups and artists, one that is increasingly forward-thinking despite maintaining a purity of expression that is tied to the past.
Black Metal features a chronological historical overview of the genre’s developments; a multitude of band profiles and case studies on classic records; information on seminal record labels, peripheral industry individuals and shops; archival visual material; and a range of essays discussing Black Metal’s inherent relationship with radical environmentalism, fine art, sexuality, transcendentalism and theatrics, amongst other topics.

Bands featured include: Bathory, Burzum, Mayhem, Gorgoroth, Blut Aus Nord, Xasthur, Wolves In The Throne Room, Darkthrone, Immortal, Hellhammer, Liturgy, Weakling, Ulver, Immortal, Enslaved, 1349, Krallice, and the associated artists of the French Les Légions Noires movement. Highly illustrated with album covers, previously unseen photographs and ephemera.

Includes commentary by leading experts in the field; music and film writer Frances Morgan; journalist Louis Pattison; The Wire writer Nick Richardson; and Pitchfork editor Brandon Stosuy. Black Metal provides a unique insight into this progressive music genre.


http://blackdogonline.com/all-books/black-metal.html

This is very true... I'm absolutely terrified of losing my edge and listening to silky-smooth lite rock till the end of my days. Mid-life crises wasn't what I should have said. More likely it's a post-SY crises: after playing in a band for three decades, long enough for two and a half generations to go square under their surveillance, it makes sense for hi to want to apply himself in the most far-flung corner of itunes that still has some sonic link to noise rock

Having an edge is never about the music one listens to. Especially these days. I'm usually more impressed by those willing to fuck the preconceived notions of "cool" or whatever. Albini saying he didn't like jazz...I thought that was cool, and I really dig jazz sometimes. Was just sort of unexpected and said a lot more about his own music than I thought it would (honestly, I assumed him to be someone that might dig jazz). I guess a punk rocker talking about Marvin Gaye is kinda cool to me. Giving away albums (not to replace the same ones with vinyl) but for the sole purpose of someone else enjoying them is kinda edgy. I mean, some people have got all they are going to get out of Black Flag + Sonic Youth...course, this doesn't make either band any more or less.

I think Thurston doing the black metal thing is neat. He hasn't a damned thing to prove to anyone at this point. I mean, he's Thurston Moore. He fucked Kim Gordon. He's met virtually any musician worth a fuck over the past 35 years (many of which he's actually jammed with). He's largely responsible for Bad Moon Rising.

Isn't this going to be another side project? Whats the big deal?

So...? Which one is a/the "side-project" these days?

I guess its a big deal because it should be some newish-uncharted territory for him. I am interested in it. Also, T can most of the time be trusted with his musical aesthetics. He has good sense in what to take up musically. Most of us have learned this and appreciate this aspect. Like someone already said.. He is a skilled and developed musician. He should be allowed to do whatever he chooses.

I dont think we need to worry about T having mid-life crises (musically) until there are Jemina Pearl/AWK Dubstep albums all over Ecstatic Peace.com

At that point, it'll be my time to shed this earthly husk. But let us forget these gastly nightmares and give us the heavy skronk!

Jazz is still a whole hell of a lot cooler than black metal... There's a difference between a band covering Bye Bye Baby by Mary Wells and a band covering Bye Bye Baby by Ok Go.

Well Said Savage

I still think the defining moment for anyone is the second they stop listening to music around other people and start listening to music alone. Regardless of the genre or calibre, how you arrive at that place and the effect you get from it will generally define the kind of listener you are.

You're no square, Bytor. You may be a family man with a good job, but you never turned your back on your true interests because "it was time to leave all that behind."

People who "used to buy records" or "used to go out and see bands" make me the saddest. Stagnation is the sign of true squaredom, and viewing a continued fostering or growth of aesthetic interests (especially if some of those are shared with younger people and their activities) as somehow "juvenile" or something you give up when one reaches a certain age says more than anything about someone's level of squareness. Jobs/families/mortgages are not signs of squareness. Don D. of Borbetomagus is an insurance agent with his own branch in Nyack NY, but he is no square.

I have also been too hard on Starcat, who seems like someone who will continue to be "youthfully curious" long after youth is gone.

I would say jazz is cooler to those that need a lot of history in the music that they listen to. Those that appreciate research, and watching things evolve and take shape. Not that this can't be seen in black metal, it can...just not as much to pull from. That said, I can totally see why black metal might mean more to those that prefer something a bit more obviously dark and raunchy. Not that jazz is never dark or raunchy, it just often times requires a bit more of the listener to pick up on said vibes. All music has it's place. Thurston's done the weirdo free jazz thing...I'm curious to hear what he does w/ black metal. It's clearly an approach that means something to him. All music has it's place.

I mean, does it make me less cool that I occasionally enjoy listening to old Aerosmith records? I mean, despite the bullshit they've become, once upon a time they were a decent straight ahead rock n roll band. Nothing special, just fun riffage that makes sense when driving home from work or being bored sitting around eating candy background noise. Does it make me less punk rock if I sometimes listen to Black Flag right after Aerosmith? Most would say yes. How cool would I be if I cared? Music is music...despite genre or era or how certain outcast sorts identify with certain approaches to it. If it makes people want to do things...like, inspiring some kid to pick up and paintbrush or a guitar or get out of bed and face a day he'd rather not deal with...whatever...I'd say it's valid.

These people hack me off the most because they often want to chat about music just to start any sentence with ''I used to...'' this or ''I once...'' that. Worse still, and this happened to me again recently with someone who is meant to have started a record label to promote local ''interesting music'' and is apparently known as someone with good taste and a keen interest in music, the best they can say about certain bands is that they used to date a member of Coil or got drunk with a goth band in the 80s. Nothing wrong with doing those things, of course, it's just that it doesn't take me long to separate genuine passion for music from the liggers who only want to complain at what they perceive as ''the state of music'' in 2012 because the last time they bought a record was in 1989. If you add on top the sort of talk you'd expect from someone best suited to writing music reviews for The Guardian, it makes me glad to be in the position I find myself in as a listener right now at my age.

But isn't trying to pin down the definitive moment when other people discover how much they enjoy music an indication that you, perhaps, are ''too influenced'' by what you're meant to listen to in relation to them? Maybe it's just me.

I haven't listened to music around other people in years, I don't socialise regularly with anyone who likes the types of music that I listen to.

Or maybe that does define the type of listener I am: I am a listener who listens to music that no-one else he knows listens to.





PS - Hello, Genteel Death.

Perhaps, although i dont see why that should neccessarily be so, and Im certainly not offended by the insinuation like I might have been a few years ago. It kind of implies that you yourself are pure and free of any societal influences when you experience art and music, you may be a bit Aspergers like that, I dont know, but not feeling a connection with some kind of wider culture/politics when you listen to music sounds a bit Thatcherite if you ask me.

I don't think there is anything wrong with nostalgia. Looking back on one's roots, tracing their own musical journey, can be fun. At least it is for me. Reality is, Nirvana serves little purpose for me these days (sans the fact that I still think they were a killer band), but I'll spend sometimes a week or two out of the year working my way through their catalog/remembering a time + place where music was sort of this new exciting thing for me. Something I felt that I could identify with and would separate my own taste from that of my parents.

I'm not opposed to new music as far as present stuff is concerned, and there are some newer bands I enjoy...that said, discovering something new more often than not means something old I've never came across. Looking back and finding hidden treasures is just something I happen to find enjoyable, and in NO WAY different than those diggin' on some new band that began two or three years ago. Just way too much shit out there right now. Everyone wants to be and can be in a band. It get's overwhelming.

I have absolutely NO IDEA what you mean with the post above.

that's true. above all things thurston is a musician, and it's nothing wrong to try others challenges. a musician with a open mind it's a better musician

How Thurston Moore Will Contribute to Black Metal Supergroup Twilight

Though it came as a surprise when black metal supergroup Twilight announced that Sonic Youth’s Thurston Moore would be joining them on their next record, the decision wasn’t spontaneous. Founding group member Blake Judd tells Hive, “We actually talked to him two years ago about getting him involved in the last record [2009’s Monument to Time End] and that came together so last minute that it wasn’t going to work out, time-wise.” Now that they have the time, Twilight — with a lineup of Judd, Atlas Moth’s Stavros Giannopoulos, Sanford Parker, Leviathan’s Jef Whitehead, Krieg’s Neil Jameson and Moore — are heading into the studio this August to work on a currently untitled full-length. “We try to do something new or bring someone new in for every record,” Judd said. “Twilight is always going to throw a curveball at you.” Hive caught up with Judd to discuss what the next album might become, touched on the aesthetic of the album, and their future plans to perform live.

Have all of you guys been in the same room yet?

No we have not.

How have you been communicating?

Through email and telephone. We start recording in a few days [and] we’re doing it in two sessions. The first session is just the very core of the band, which is Neil [Jameson] from Krieg, Jef [Whitehead] from Leviathan, and myself, with Stavros and Sanford there helping us out. The five of us are going to write the majority of the record and record it and make some rough mixes of it. Those tracks won’t be completely finished — it will be a skeleton of of the record — and we’re going to send them on to Thurston [Moore], who will have time to get familiar with them and, for the stuff he’ll be writing, it will give him an idea of where we’re coming from. He can base what he’s doing off of that and try to preserve the aesthetic and overall vibe that we’ve created. We’ll all have a few weeks to work on those and then we’ll come back into the studio at the end of August and that’s when Thurston comes into town and, from there, we’ll be finishing the tracks that we started and also recording the songs that Thurston will be bringing to the table.

Do you already have a good idea of what the aesthetic and vibe will be?

The album will be a little more black metal than the last one [Monument to Time End] was. We’re going back to our roots and we’re going to keep it primarily black metal, but — with me and Thurston and Sanford being involved — I think no matter how hard we try to do that, it’s still going to come out sounding very different just because we all have such broad taste in music. It should be a thing of its own and that’s the key goal.

Is Thurston really into black metal?

From what I know, he’s a huge fan. Decibel Magazine ran a feature about Thurston being a massive black metal fan, so that’s where we got the idea from to get him involved. We realized he was into it and we have a direct connection to Sonic Youth, through our soundman Jeremy [Lemos], so we were able to reach them very easily and Thurston was immediately responsive in a positive way from the get-go. He mentioned that he’d be very interested in working together with us in the future, so it’s just manifesting itself a couple years later. We’re all such big Sonic Youth fans, it’s a real blessing to have Thurston come in and be a part of this.

Would you guys ever do a black metal reworking of Sonic Youth songs?

It hasn’t been discussed, but that would be really neat and I’d certainly welcome the idea of doing that.

Down the road, will you all be touring together?

As of right now, the only live performances we’ve discussed are limited to Roadburn Festival next year and one show in the United States, which would be in either Chicago or New York, and happen before the festival. Geographically, it’s very inconvenient for us to get together to rehearse, considering that we have people in this band that live from San Francisco to New York and everywhere in between. We do understand that there is a demand for a live performance but a tour will never happen with this band. Plus, Twilight has always been a studio project.

Interview from mtvhive.com

This does not surprise me ONE BIT

If it's any consolation, I don't remember ever reading a post of yours which didn't remind me of the sort of half-baked opinions you'd expect from a recently graduated university student whose idea of controversial is clicking ''like'' on the ''Free Tibet Campaign'' page on Facebook so that he can make everyone else feel guilty if they don't.

Also, what's with the tone of that post? I thought you didn't like patronising people? Oui?

And your posts are like a sluggish and unrelenting river of bitter, bitter diarrhea, so what? If psychoanalysing and abusing people on the internet is how you get your kicks then please do, Im always happy to help care in the community cases like yourself if it keeps you from taking your "transgressive" personality into the real world where, yknow, you might actually risk something.
I might not be able to save Tibet, but at least I can save you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqWLpTKBFcU

I edited this for precision - his language is much too passive. NS = National Socialist. This is why I hate so called black metal along with the fact that it all sounds exactly the same. So I guess he has the same opinion if you replace "NS" with "Child rapist" or "wife beater" or whatever depraved smallminded bully shit the depraved "artists'" come up with. He has no morals or ethics at all. People think they are edgy or something listening to their "black metal", its a fucking nostalgia trip folks, death metal/black metal was done to death 20 years ago. Judd does not want to offend his customer base.

Nazi's are fucking religious filth that should be wiped off the map.

I don't understand Thurston's interest in this genre - maybe he is not quite the progressive we thought. Usually I don't bug him at shows but this is something I would actually like to hear from him. Why, T, why?

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfeatencake I haven't read this thread, but someone just sent me this:

I'm not sure why this is something questionable, he clearly states that he has no interest in that scene.

I support the freedom of speech of Holocaust deniers while still finding their views reprehensible.

I think art and idelogies of the artists should be separated. Captain Beefheart was a real bastard as a person, but I love his music. I don´t understand why I should have stopped listening him after I read what´s he´s done to his bandmates.

Of course Thurston´s interest to Black metal came to suprise to me, I hadn´t heard it. I just heard Twilight a bit and it didn´t sound as bad as I thought. I think it is always great when artist break his limits, but of course artists don´t always succeed in it.