call me an angry motherfucker if you want, call me something else that matches my behavior, but i don't fall into the same lot as the apathetic, the cynical, and the professionally jaded i'm supposedly "calling names" in my post.

other kinds of names are reserved for me--and if the shoe fits, i'll wear it. but it's apples vs. oranges.

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ps- i see flotzers calling it out correctly on the rage-- fuck yeah-- i have a short temper, and i'm not hiding that fact.

He's one of the least pushover Democrats around.

anyway, just because people don't share your political views it doesn't mean that they are suffering from any of the stuff you've listed. be a man and accept that.

Sarram, I perceive that you were replying because you thought you had this great superior point to make us aware of, but it comes off as just mean-spirited and well, sort of dumb.

There's a difference between outlining a particular case for those that rightly deserve to be designated as "apathetic" and simply immaturely "calling someone names." Seems to me that any sensitive, intelligent person knows that qualitative difference inherently.

You're calling people names, therefore you fall into the category marked 'idiots'.

Seems to me that any sensitive, intelligent person knows that qualitative difference inherently.

my accepting or rejecting an argument is not a matter of "manhood" but of it being a convincing argument, you pumpkinhead. be a man and accept that the burden of proof is on you.

i stand by my condemnation and contempt of cynics. with those who disagree passionately it's another story-- i may think suchfriends is a bit of a loon, but i don't think he's apathetic. he assumed i was speaking to him, i just didn't bother to reply. maybe i should.

anyway, regardless of political preferences, this is a historic victory, for various reasons.

1) it's a strong rejection of george bush and his neocon allies who have caused so much pain and suffering around the world. whether you are a neocon or not, this fucking preemptive war doctrine is effectively OVER.

2) for a country that had racial segregation 40 years ago to elect a black man is a huge step. maybe you don't sympathize with this, but just imagine what it's going to be the day we elect our first openly gay president. proposition 8 may have won today, but it will not stand against history. we make progress.

3) there is a new activist core in this country that has developed in this campaign that will simply not go away. a lot of people have become involved in civic life. watch in months to come.

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now you can argue from a marxist point of view that this democracy is simply an instrument of the bourgeoisie and that obama is a capitalist and blah blah blah-- fine. give it a try. convince us.

for maoists-- this election would be a setback-- maoists want to quicken the revolution by exacerbating the contradictions of society and would have LOVED a third bush term. but fuck maoists and their fanatic disease.

in any case, you're stuck with gordon brown-- gordon brown! and a monarchy for fuck's sakes. go organize the masses in your adoptive country and i'll do the same here.

this.

I guess you can consider me a vote for Obama, because I didn't vote for McCain.

For your information I do partecipate in political activity but never advertise it on the internet 'cause it's seen as lame and, erm, apathetic. That's all you're getting.

i sure hope so. i wanna stay involved. i'm looking forward to universal health care.



"us"? i didnt include you in that. i answered you separately in the pot-haze post.



i didn't say you were apathetic-- you're far from apathetic. crazy? perhaps. but apathetic, no.



well, the taliban was harboring bin laden and they refused to turn him over. bush was supposed to get him and botched the job. bin laden is still hiding under the taliban's reemergence. take that fucker and his organization out.


there's wars and there's wars.

it's more than i asked for!

anyway, best wishes with that.

it's a done deal.

about the mossad accusations-- that he was "mega", etc-- they are a bit scary. the dad was after all a member of irgun, which was a terrorist organization...

but in this country, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

something that is cool and bizarre (i didn't know this) is that he was the inspiration for the character of josh lyman in the west wing-- or so i've read.

in any case, i hope he gets to push obama's legislative agenda while resisting pressure from "congressional barons". if we let this be a free for all it's going to be jimmy carter all over again.

"According to Democratic candidates who ran for House of Representative seats in 2006, Rahm Emanuel, then head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, took sides during the Democratic primary elections, favoring conservative candidates, including former Republicans, and sidelining candidates who were running in favor of withdrawal from Iraq."

Oh no, Obama is bringing in people with differing political opinions like he said he would.

the horror! (ha ha).

dick lugar & colin powell seem to be heading for the cabinet too. hurray on giving colon a chance to redeem himself after being used as cheney's patsy.

For public information: I used to be part of Sarramkrop's British Unilateral Marxist party, but was thrown out for dressing up like Amy Winehouse, and quoting from the book of Ron Jeremy. That, and also trying to put my hand down his trousers.

congrats on turning nm blue o'symbol one.

thanks man, it was fucking awesome to be a part of this

they didn't imprison you as a social deviant and send you to be reeducated in a gulag?

o symbol one, did you get to pour champagne on a couple black chicks' asses while simultaneously slapping Obama stickers on the insides of their thighs?

They tried that, but I got time off from blowing the "camp" commandant at said gulag. Sometimes faggery does have its uses.

You're not allowed to have a sexual preference in the political arena.

How do you explain the last British Unilateralist Marxist communique, which simply consisted of addresses of bear pubs and darkrooms?

Booze.

Thank you americans

thank you

Marxists NEVER thank anyone. Splitter!

Homosexual Marxists are more polite and sensitive.

I've just been listening to the "Book of Sarram" on CD, and all I can hear about the pub noise is you shouting "Cunt Cunty Wunty Cunty" amongst all the sloganeering. I take it that this is what you mean by polite and sensitive, comrade?

Am I the only one not excited by this? I wasn't about to vote for someone who just throws around a word "change" like it's a political policy. I'm not predicting any extreme changes in the upcoming years. If you want to fix this economy we need to eliminate the federal reserve and stop inflation. Also, there are many other federal programs that could be stopped and save us a lot of money. Until we start paying back our debt and redefining our 'dollar', these stupid economic policies thrown around by Obama and McCain do not mean shit.

I also find it hilarious when you ask someone Why they voted for Obama and they just say 'change' and are totally unaware of his positions. I'm not accusing you guys of not knowing what he stands for, but I'm sure you've heard it from a lot of people who do not know what they are talking about.

I voted for Nader just for the sake of voting third party. I would have voted for Ron Paul, he's a real man of intelligence and true convictions.

I voted for Obama because I want Universal Health Care

Which would send our country into an even more ridiculous amount of debt

ha ha

ha ha ha ha ha

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ok, no, i didn't support them for that reason. it was for these reasons:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

read up. far from perfect, but extensive, comprehensive, and well thought-out.

plus the individual brilliance of the guy-- time to have a smart president again. somene who listens and thinks before he acts.

ron paul? i see a white supremacist anti-abortion "libertarian" with no political base whatsoever, pandering to the pothead vote. nader? a pointless candidacy-- talk about cult of personality: "the ME ME ME party".

anyway, at least you cared enough to vote, so it's an honorable defeat.

now let's wait 74 days and see what happens, eh?

so youre saying let people die so we can save money?

1.Ron Paul is far from a white supremacist.
2.He is anti-abortion but he believes that the issue of abortion should be left up to each state. (which it should be)
3.Pothead vote? So what, legal weed.

And I didn't say you liked Obama for superficial reasons... I was just saying that a lot of people don't know the issues. However, if you believe in his policies, I totally respect that.

wow. maybe it IS a new day dawning. :eek:

No..I'm saying we should cut back on other programs which would save money...not to mention the war. If we stopped spending all this money (well technically we're just printing paper) on the war and other ridiculous federal programs, we would have some money to help these people.

yeah god forbid we incur any debt helping our own citizens, meanwhile billions of dollars in debt piles up as we bomb children while they sleep and wave our hero flag over their corpses or give 700 billion to the upper class so they don't lose their investments..

Yeah because debt doesn't hurt our citizens.
^^^^^extreme sarcasm