I believe this is the best post in thread.

If the healthcare a person receives is determined by the money that they earn, that's a problem. I don't know the American healthcare system so I can't say if that's what's going on there. Even with a National Health Service it's sort of going on here so I can only assume it's more widespread in the US.

My point is that European people, and especially British people, like to get on their high horse about healthcare, particularly when discussing it with Americans - regardless of the fact that our system, while it appears just, is deeply flawed on a practical, day-to-day level. I worked for a subsidiary of the NHS for five years and any country that tries to model their system on ours is in for a very bumpy ride.

Is it as deeply flawed as putting those who use it in crushing debt for generations? I don't think any health care reform, even from single-payer supporters, is seeking to achieve some utopian level of perfection, just one that isn't a financial shell game.

who is that guy?

Alex Jones. "Paleoconservative" radio host and owner of the conspiracy website Infowars.com

14 PAGES!!!!


i am so proud of myself.

Make sure you put this on yr resume.

so do explain how it works everywhere else? shit people in BOTSWANA have UNIVERSAL health care while, many many Americans myself included have none. The only people who are not complaining about the health care system are those who live in privilege and have insurance of some variety that they are not struggling to pay for. But, all of those young Siddharthas will inevitably leave the comfort and security of the palace and see the real world of suffering and struggle..

i've had this on loop for about 30 mins, love it

We would never in a millions years plan to model our healthcare after yours. Your system is way too complicated to be implemented by our country. We're not actually doing healthcare reform, we're doing health insurance reform. The government is not going to run hospitals or anything

wah wah wah

You'd think so, wouldn't you?


Yeah sure, I don't really see why they don't make it an option. However, IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. Why the fuck don't you call your senator and tell him that you want it to be an option? That's what he/she is there for. Don't just bitch on an internet forum, do something. :)


Its funny how people can get so worked up about one but not the other.


This is the best thing you've ever posted.


Yeah, how greeeeeeeedy of them to attempt to give healthcare to people other than the privileged classes. You anti-Obama people sure have a funny definition of greedy.


This is more beneficial for stuff like heart disease and cancer, obviously. And since you haven't been going to the doctor for anything other than STD tests, how would you know if you need either. In any case, why is it only about you? I never get sick either. In fact, I only stayed home from sick one time in High School. But I'm not the only person in the country and I believe that health care is a right that everyone should have. It's the OPPOSITE of greedy.



Sorry, that's stupid. And again, they don't do that shit when you have cancer or heart disease because you've avoided adequately taking care of your health your entire life. And the end of this quote is so mind-boggling... I really have nothing to say about it.

Quit being logical. FUCK THE SICK. It's their fault they got sick anyway because they were weak.

And just in general: people who don't tip are assholes.

Shit... 15 pages in two days. Not reading all that, but I'm with Satan.

Furthermore, I don't see the correlation between having a job and being required to have health insurance. Health insurance, like car insurance and shit, should be handled by itself. People should go and get it if they want it.

When I get sick, I relax and eat healthy. How do you think people survived hundreds of years ago? Plus, it's made my immune system a hell of a lot stronger. I hardly ever get sick because my body has learned to protect itself without fucking medicine.

Just saying.

Companies usually have an invested interest in keeping their employees healthy.

Lots of people died hundreds of years ago without fucking medicine. The average lifespan in Medieval Britain was 20 to 30 years old. I guess with all those diseases and stuff, you would think their immune system was strong as fuck, right? They must not have relaxed and eaten healthy enough.

Just saying.

I see you like most of us young folks, are ever the optimist. and what about routine things? dentist? kids being born? the occasional emergency? think ahead my friend!

and go around the world or just around the block to see how people survived a hundred years ago without public healthcare, the same as folks survive today, not very well and not very long :(

In the Middle Ages, they also threw their shit in their drinking water. People who took care of themselves lived a lot longer, pal.

In America, we have the capability of taking care of ourselves. Health care should be an option.

and so you take care of your own shit now I presume? Built the plumbing infrastructure by yourself did you? the only thing americans take care of is to conveniently forget just how much of a socialist country we actually live in..

That's off topic. Please, it's dumb to analyze a statement so thoroughly.

I've paid for plumbing... through renting my house and paying taxes that go toward sanitary facilities. I have nothing against paying taxes for that.

What this thread is about is whether or not health care should be mandatory. I'm saying many people don't want it, so why force it upon us? That's it.

But wouldn't that strengthen their immune system over time? I thought you said your body has learned to protect itself. Now we have to take care of our bodies? I mean, here we are with our great knowledge of health, able to condemn medieval Britons for not taking care of themselves from something they had yet to learn exists. Lazy bastards.

Because it's considered inhumane to let a person die without attempting to help them, regardless of whether they chose to have health insurance or not.

And when doctors do treat them, it's often the tax payers that eventually get the bill.

What is with this? You guys take things people say and take it in a whole other direction.

To answer you first dumb question, yes. If we kept on drinking shitty water for generations, slowly we would adjust. Just as fucking roaches become immune to bug sprays over time. Of course, our adjustment would take much longer because it's a different situation. But hey, we're not roaches. We evolved instead by realizing it's not good to drink shitty water.

Next question: Yes, you should take care of your body. Unless you'd like to die earlier, don't. Why did you even ask that?

I'm not condemning anyone. That's just the reality. They died young because they drank shit. Today, we know how to take care of ourselves. Medicine alone is no way the only reason for longer lifespans.

Thanks for being an ass.

Is it not a reason at all? Or just a very insignificant one?

Do you think "health care" is only medicine?

Sure, it's significant. However, eating right, exercising, and knowing what's bad for your body is just as significant. And most medicine today is available without health insurance. Go to Walmart.

Most antibiotics are through prescription.

Like doxycycline, which is used to fight some forms of dysentery.

Who edits their posts? Just post again.

No, I don't think health care is only medicine. All I said was we have longer lifespans due to other things than medicine. You were the one who brought up medicine being significant.

And again, all I'm saying is health care should be an option. If you tend to break your leg a lot, do yourself a favor and get health care. If cancer runs in the family, get it! If you're 23 and healthy and don't really need it at the time, don't get it. Maybe you want it later? Sure, get it. That's it!

thank you. i wonder why this is so hard for people to accept.


this thread has really gone to shit.



way to go.

erm...

HAHA....yeah i'm just gonna go down the medicine aisle at duane reade and pick up some oxycontin. no big.

all medicine is available without health insurance. the question is whether or not you can afford the doctor visit and the prescription without it. probably not.
by the way, health insurance is a really good idea for some people, probably most people. but there is a minority of people who just don't need it. different strokes.

Thanks for the response, but since you didn't actually say anything, I don't know how to respond back.

Let me try though.... So many Americans today get fucking prescriptions for stupid shit, like for headaches in the morning, not being able to sleep, or having minor allergies. Okay great. If you can afford it yourself, go for it. But to survive, that shit is not needed. I understand if you have a serious illness, you're in need of a prescription. But the ratio of serious cases to luxury cases is so small. That's why I said "most" medicine.

^ directed toward Phoenix

i have prescriptions out the ass. i don't need them to survive but i sure would be miserable as fuck without them.

If you're paying for these luxuries, that's great. But if it's at the expense of others, I don't agree with that.

most of it is covered by my work. i would just stop taking them but i can't do that.

That's cool. You deserve it. You're working.

yeah i'm not trying to leech off anyone, i'm just trying to live my life without too much interference from the feds.

dumbest thing you've ever posted.

samuel, don't overwork yr fingers bro.

these people don't understand shit about health/their immune systems. believe me, i found out

^ says the homeopathy guy hahaha