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afterthefact 02.05.2008 08:17 PM

Please croak today...
 
Because if you don't, you are only putting off the inevitable.

Why is death such a horrible thing? Especially murder? They finally pinned the guy up against the wall in that case about the girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba. Natalie something. It's makes you wonder though, even if he did kill her - and I'm sure he did - why does it matter? I mean, I understand that there is a moral sense among humans that says you can't just go around killing people, and I'm not trying to act like I am above that. But I have had a lot of people in my life die, and it makes you wonder if death really is so bad. I mean, look at your options. Let's say you are religious, right? Many religions preach many things, but they all include something about what will happen after you die. You will go to heaven, you will be resurrected, you will meet up with 72 - or is it 77? I can't remember - vigins in heaven. Whatever you believe, and I'm not knocking any beliefs, death sounds pretty nice. And if you aren't religious? Atheist even? Then you will no longer exist at all, and you will just be gone. But if that is true, you won't be there to know it, so what will you care anyway? And if you stand somewhere in between, not knowing what to believe, or if you should believe anything at all, then I would imagine the curiousity of what would happen at death would be so overwhelming that you would practically be begging for some punk to take you out, just to see what happens next.

I for myself, I have my beliefs. I don't want to die in any form or fashion, be it murder, stroke, car accident, what have you. But only because of the people I would leave behind, my wife and family who would miss me. And I do enjoy life; I want to be with them as well. But if, by chance, I find myself lost and cruising on the corner of Vine St. and McMicken Ave., I know when the guy is walking towards my car what is coming next. All I ask is that he be quick about it so I can get on with things.

floatingslowly 02.05.2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact
All I ask is that he be quick about it so I can get on with things.


I'm pretty good friends with him. I'll put in a good word.

afterthefact 02.05.2008 08:41 PM

I knew I could count on you.

eatmychild 02.06.2008 09:56 AM

Yeah death shouldn't be too bad, but despite all rational reasons not to worry it'll still be the most intense moment of my life when it comes to the end.

I guess just gudda wait.

pbradley 02.06.2008 10:46 AM

I've denied the idea of the state at being dead since high school. Being dead is a lack of a state of being at only exists as a way for sentient states for being to understand this lack. The state of being alive is a precious one and must be safeguarded but the fear of a lack of a state of being is like the fear of the furniture that resides in an empty room.

tesla69 02.06.2008 12:08 PM

I think once we're out of this state we'll slap ourselves on the forehead and say "damn why did I waste all that time?"

afterthefact 02.06.2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by █████████
well, if your will is to live doesn't it matter to you if someone attempts against your will?


It's complicated. Yes, I want to live. I'm more pointing out that while we all want to live, we aren't really sure why. With all of the explainations people have of what comes after death, what is our drive for life?

floatingslowly 02.06.2008 12:45 PM

 

nomadicfollower 02.06.2008 05:30 PM

It's natural. (which of course is vague, but you get the picture...no point fighting it.)

Tokolosh 02.06.2008 05:41 PM

 

Who killed Natalee Holloway?
Wouldn't it be weird if her father had been responsible for her disappearance?

!@#$%! 02.06.2008 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
Because if you don't, you are only putting off the inevitable.

Why is death such a horrible thing? Especially murder? They finally pinned the guy up against the wall in that case about the girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba. Natalie something. It's makes you wonder though, even if he did kill her - and I'm sure he did - why does it matter? I mean, I understand that there is a moral sense among humans that says you can't just go around killing people, and I'm not trying to act like I am above that. But I have had a lot of people in my life die, and it makes you wonder if death really is so bad. I mean, look at your options. Let's say you are religious, right? Many religions preach many things, but they all include something about what will happen after you die. You will go to heaven, you will be resurrected, you will meet up with 72 - or is it 77? I can't remember - vigins in heaven. Whatever you believe, and I'm not knocking any beliefs, death sounds pretty nice. And if you aren't religious? Atheist even? Then you will no longer exist at all, and you will just be gone. But if that is true, you won't be there to know it, so what will you care anyway? And if you stand somewhere in between, not knowing what to believe, or if you should believe anything at all, then I would imagine the curiousity of what would happen at death would be so overwhelming that you would practically be begging for some punk to take you out, just to see what happens next.

I for myself, I have my beliefs. I don't want to die in any form or fashion, be it murder, stroke, car accident, what have you. But only because of the people I would leave behind, my wife and family who would miss me. And I do enjoy life; I want to be with them as well. But if, by chance, I find myself lost and cruising on the corner of Vine St. and McMicken Ave., I know when the guy is walking towards my car what is coming next. All I ask is that he be quick about it so I can get on with things.


watchu mumblin about son?

everyone dies-- but let me die... LATER!!!!

quit moaning and enjoy another day under the sun. really. go have a steak.

gmku 02.06.2008 05:55 PM

Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.

!@#$%! 02.07.2008 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.


holy crap man what about the fun parts?

afterthefact 02.07.2008 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
watchu mumblin about son?

everyone dies-- but let me die... LATER!!!!

quit moaning and enjoy another day under the sun. really. go have a steak.


You buyin'? Otherwise I gotta eat the cold porkchop I brought in.

afterthefact 02.07.2008 01:54 PM

what can we do?
at their best, there is gentleness in Humanity.
some understanding and, at times, acts of
courage
but all in all it is a mass, a glob that doesn't
have too much.
it is like a large animal deep in sleep and
almost nothing can awaken it.
when activated it's best at brutality,
selfishness, unjust judgments, murder.
what can we do with it, this Humanity?
nothing.
avoid the thing as much as possible.
treat it as you would anything poisonous, vicious
and mindless.
but be careful. it has enacted laws to protect
itself from you.
it can kill you without cause.
and to escape it you must be subtle.
few escape.
it's up to you to figure a plan.
I have met nobody who has escaped.
I have met some of the great and
famous but they have not escaped
for they are only great and famous within
Humanity.
I have not escaped
but I have not failed in trying again and
again. before my death I hope to obtain my
life.

!@#$%! 02.07.2008 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
You buyin'? Otherwise I gotta eat the cold porkchop I brought in.


fry that up nice, with some potatoes, serve with a side of apple sauce, maybe some sauerkraut? mmm.... love a good porkchop. just make sure to avoid margarine or any artificial shit on your vegetables.

it's the small things man, the small things, that fortify you against unnecessary gloom.

then again you might need some zoloft :D

afterthefact 02.07.2008 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
fry that up nice, with some potatoes, serve with a side of apple sauce, maybe some sauerkraut? mmm.... love a good porkchop. just make sure to avoid margarine or any artificial shit on your vegetables.

it's the small things man, the small things, that fortify you against unnecessary gloom.

then again you might need some zoloft :D


I'm a happy person, albeit apathic for the most part. Content would probably be the best word.

And the porkchop is á la carte today.

!@#$%! 02.07.2008 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
I'm a happy person, albeit apathic for the most part. Content would probably be the best word.

And the porkchop is á la carte today.


oh. your original post betrayed a different feeling.

croak today? no, no! NOT TODAY!

anyway, enjoy lunch. :)

afterthefact 02.07.2008 03:07 PM

Each post of mine seems to portray a different person. They say left-handed people do have a tendancy towards schizophrenia... :)

gmku 02.07.2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
holy crap man what about the fun parts?


I'll have to ask Woody Allen. It's his quote. :o I just thought it was funny and true. We complain about life all the time but we also don't want to die.

!@#$%! 02.07.2008 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I'll have to ask Woody Allen. It's his quote. :o I just thought it was funny and true. We complain about life all the time but we also don't want to die.


so it's the steak i mentioned above-- sorta:

"Cloquet hated reality but realized it was still the only place to get a good steak."

ha ha ha

ok gotta go

gmku 02.07.2008 05:10 PM

Woody's the best on Death.

floatingslowly 02.07.2008 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
They say left-handed people do have a tendancy towards schizophrenia... :)


we have no idea what yr talking about.

afterthefact 02.07.2008 05:14 PM

Crap, majority wins...

gmku 02.07.2008 05:18 PM

The thing that keeps me going is, I can't wait to see what happens next. Even when things are crappy. Something in me just wants to see what will happen the next day, whether that's in my own personal narrative or in what's going on "out there." It bothers me to think about everything I will miss out on when I'm gone.

afterthefact 02.07.2008 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
The thing that keeps me going is, I can't wait to see what happens next. Even when things are crappy. Something in me just wants to see what will happen the next day, whether that's in my own personal narrative or in what's going on "out there." It bothers me to think about everything I will miss out on when I'll miss I'm gone.


But that was my point with dying as well. What's next? I mean, I feel that I know what is next, but knowledge based on faith is different than knowledge based on experience, so you're still curious...

gmku 02.07.2008 11:47 PM

Death will come. I have no problem waiting for Death. In fact, I'd like to keep Death waiting. Maybe I just won't answer the door.

!@#$%! 02.08.2008 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Death will come. I have no problem waiting for Death. In fact, I'd like to keep Death waiting. Maybe I just won't answer the door.


 

Everyneurotic 02.08.2008 12:09 AM

 

afterthefact 02.08.2008 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
 


I should be receiving this movie soon...

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 02.08.2008 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
Because if you don't, you are only putting off the inevitable.

Why is death such a horrible thing? Especially murder? They finally pinned the guy up against the wall in that case about the girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba. Natalie something. It's makes you wonder though, even if he did kill her - and I'm sure he did - why does it matter? I mean, I understand that there is a moral sense among humans that says you can't just go around killing people, and I'm not trying to act like I am above that. But I have had a lot of people in my life die, and it makes you wonder if death really is so bad. I mean, look at your options. Let's say you are religious, right? Many religions preach many things, but they all include something about what will happen after you die. You will go to heaven, you will be resurrected, you will meet up with 72 - or is it 77? I can't remember - vigins in heaven. Whatever you believe, and I'm not knocking any beliefs, death sounds pretty nice. And if you aren't religious? Atheist even? Then you will no longer exist at all, and you will just be gone. But if that is true, you won't be there to know it, so what will you care anyway? And if you stand somewhere in between, not knowing what to believe, or if you should believe anything at all, then I would imagine the curiousity of what would happen at death would be so overwhelming that you would practically be begging for some punk to take you out, just to see what happens next.

I for myself, I have my beliefs. I don't want to die in any form or fashion, be it murder, stroke, car accident, what have you. But only because of the people I would leave behind, my wife and family who would miss me. And I do enjoy life; I want to be with them as well. But if, by chance, I find myself lost and cruising on the corner of Vine St. and McMicken Ave., I know when the guy is walking towards my car what is coming next. All I ask is that he be quick about it so I can get on with things.


I don't want to die just yet. I don't want to pick up the check until I'm done with my meal. And all I have done is ordered my drink.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 02.08.2008 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Faith is a mysterious thing. Some people have faith in nothing......faith in no one. There is a great deal of people who have lots of faith: family, friends, religion, ect. Sometimes (maybe most of the time), those with no faith think those who have faith are foolish. In return, those who have some sort of faith often view those that claim to have no faith as being misguided......severely scorned somewhere along the path of thorns. The faithless often decry they should not be judged unless another person walks a mile in their shoes......as if those with faith are never challenged or deal with trouble. The funny thing is, those with great faith will tell you they have such faith because they overcame their troubles and challenges. Just like with metal, through the firing process it becomes stronger.

The only reason we have "knowledge" is because we know something is next. Our belief in what that is makes us all different. This is why the world has so many different religions. When afterthefact started this thread, he mentioned the following: heaven, virgins and nothingness. When many talk about the afterlife, this is what they usually consider. Not trying disrespect anybody's beliefs, but I do find it somewhat strange that most never consider hell. And trust me, I whole hardly agree it would be the best thing EVER if this place is not true. But does anyone ever take the time to consider what if their wrong about hell? I don't believe in people / beings from other planets. I simply don't think it's true. If a UFO landed on the White House lawn today, then I would find out that I was wrong in my belief. But then what would I have really lost due to that belief? What if many are wrong about hell? All of that bad stuff......being in torments, gnashing of teeth and the whole eternity thing.

I don't guess we have any dentist on here do we? Is it even possible to gnash ones teeth outside of hell? I know some people have problems with grinding their teeth......but is this the same as gnashing?


I have never known someone who has faith in nothing. I can only think of one person in fiction who has faith in nothing. The man who controls the universe in Douglas Adams "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe"

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 02.08.2008 01:34 PM

Anyone ever see the thing on Twilight Zone where the guy dies and the afterlife is really great- he always wins at gambling, he gets all the chicks, has a great life, etc. But then he starts to get bored with it and asks the guy who shows him around "what kind of heaven is this?" and the guy said "I never said this was heaven"

:D

The best sounding heaven to me is Val Halla.

!@#$%! 02.08.2008 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
I should be receiving this movie soon...


just so you know, my favorite character is the esquire

!@#$%! 02.08.2008 02:09 PM

faith = balls

i lack "faith", especially the religious kind.

i especially reject the notion of hell-- a mental concoction designed to torture the minds of children.

i've been to hell, and it's on earth.

but still i'm happy with my life, thank you.


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