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Originally Posted by knox
You're wrong.
Suicidal people normally change their minds after a while, althought the passing thought might be constant they are able to resist it - because most of the time, they don't want to go through a painful slow death and would probably give up in the process. A gun provides someone (in the even of a depressive or psychotic episode) no chance to give up or even leave that state of mind. Other suicidals spend years trying to get hold of guns because they know the quickest surest way to die is shooting yourself in the head/heart.
All stats show suicides are more common when people can get hold of guns.
I've worked with people who tried and FAIL to commit suicide a couple of times, and always attempted to get hold of a gun, imagine what would have happened if they could.
In fact, since we're being honest in my teenage years I had severe depression. So I know you CANNOT control that and you need other people to help you. I tried to get hold of a gun, even going to the lenghts of talking to drug dealers about it, but it was too hard to get one.
I assure you, had I been able to get one or steal one from someone's house I would have done it and I wouldn't be here today.
Same goes for murder - no chance for self defense. I watch the news and most people I see are killed from a distance, from the back, when they are not expecting, no chance for defense. You have much better chances to defend yourself and to survive if you're stabbed or if the attacker has to come near you. Guns enable that sort of cowardice.
People die from travelling lost fucking bullets, they don't die because of knives flying in the air as they are walking the streets.
In fact, how many people kill each other because they are angry in the heat of the moment they fire a gun? I assure you if they had to get near and choke them/stab them/poison them they would probably reassess the consequences, or perhaps they wouldn't be so brave.
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so what? people die
peopel kill themselves all the time
it is their life to end as they see fit, whether we see them as "depressed" or "crazy" or "stupid" for doing so. (I do not. I deeply believe that we should be able to end our lives as we see fit.)
Most female suicides do NOT use guns. That is a fact. Mainly male suicides use messy methods like disembowling or gunfire.
How do you account for that? women that are out to end their life will do it most of the time with pills, or bleeding to death, or jumping off heights or any number of non-gun methods.
yet all these women (in US at least) have just as equal access to guns as the men.