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Originally Posted by Derek
Bear in mind that Labour were like 24 points behind the Tories before the last election. Anything happens when Corbyn actually gets to put forth his ideas in a fair manner, which we saw last time. They are clearly not unelectable.
I don't believe at all that someone else would have won that election for them. Do you have any sort of evidence or study that shows this? It would have just been further apathy towards Labour since Ed Miliband's poor showing. No one is excited by centrism or liberalism and clearly its the unelectable thing in 2019 if Hillary Clinton can't take an easy victory over Donald Trump.
He hasn't turned it into a party of activists, he's helping give voice to people who have been shut out of politics for a long time or young people who never found a reason to care until his ideas spoke to them.
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My point is that although Corbyn did a great job of attracting young and first time voters he did nothing to attract disenfranchised Tories. That's the big difference between him and Trump. Almost 10% of voters who backed Obama in 2012 switched to Trump in 2016. But I seriously doubt if anything like that number of voters who'd previously identified as Conservatives were tempted by Corbyn.