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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

it's more like people just can be bothered discussing something with a smart alec who is too pig headed to ever concede any point ever.

why would i concede a point to metaphysics-- something that can be neither observed nor proven, and therefore, however beautifully constructed, is nothing but a bunch of wishful thinking, i.e., a load of old stale wank? "i believe"-- ok, you believe, good for you, i applaud your faith (not really) but that can't be shared and doesn't convince anyone else. weren't you a proclaimed marxist anyway? if so, are you a liberation theology jesuit? they are the only ones clever enough to bridge such opposing ideologies as marxism and theism. but it's all a bunch of rhethoric in the end-- i like it, it helps convince the naive masses to remove the oppressor's boot from their necks without fear of hell and damnation, and for that i support it, but it has no intrinsic truth value.

anyway-- metaphysics as an entertainment, yes-- the way for example borges wrote stories as if certain metaphysical ideas were real-- fertile manure for the mind, fun stuff, dreams. like your favorite comic book, sandman. pataphysics too-- brilliant.

anyway, feel free to continue whingeing about my internet persona-- it's entertaining read but it proves no point in this discussion whatsoever.

not to say i discuss any of this in a formal fashion and with a serious tone-- i enjoy playing the belligerent asshole on the internetS, but i still make a point relevant to the discussion. you? make a point-- and make it good so i can concede it-- yes? try it. come on. try.